Friday, October 22, 2010

the difference between chauvinism and feminism...

if i wasnt afraid of sounding sexist, i'd have said that the answer to this question is- 'If a man does it, he is a chauvinist and a sexist, and if a woman does it, she is a feminist and a progressive thinker, and a womans liberator and the list goes on forever and ever.'


of course since so many females i know are feminist, i darent answer like that. so instead, we go the long way out.
( and this is the point where the feminists are supposed to call me a MCP, and leave. others may continue.)


So chauvinism. chauvinism, is, in its most common usage, when a guy displays an attitude of being superior to women. (by the way, initially, the word itself was supposed to mean an extreme form of patriotism and nationalism. look what they made it to now!) but the thing is, that nowadays, any guy who in any way displays an attitude that a woman perceives as superiority, then the guy is a Male Chauvinistic Pig. and that guy has to live with the social stigma of being a pig, not to mention a chauvinist. meanwhile, girls are being urged to believe that just because they are female, they 'deserve' a special line in the queue for tickets, or a reservation in college seats.


now dont get me wrong. i respect women, and i respect feminists (in fact i once had a crush on a feminist, and it lasted a long time). but i HATE it, when women, in the name of feminism, try to pass themselves off as superior to men. its rare, but it happens. 


for instance, i know this guy, who was once meeting a feminist for lunch, and decided to show up with a bouquet. after the events that transpired that day, he never went to the florists. he walked into the restaurant with a bunch of white lilies in his hand (dunno why he bothered so much, it was a professional meeting anyway.) so he walks into the room, expecting to give this lady, who's someone he needs to impress so that she works with his boss, and not their rival, a bunch of flowers as a good way to a first impression.


and that was his fault. of course the lady noticed the flowers. and of course like all women who need expert psychiatric advice, she instantly assumed that the man was a chauvinist (as i anyone with any sense can see, he was just being chivalrous. but then, thats just a polite and nice way of saying chauvinist, just the same way feminist is synonymous with great woman.) and then happened the mother of all misunderstandings.


the female was on the agressive from the beginning. she began it off by attacking him, and not for the flowers. see when the woman saw the flowers, she ASSUMED that he was gonna go all MCP on her, so she had to outdo him, and apparently start the argument. he is a nice guy, and before he sat down, he offered to pull her chair back for her. that was a mistake apparently.


female- excuse me, but do you think i cant hold a chair?


male (unaware of where that came from)- no ma'am only offering to help.


female- do you think i need help? did i ask for it?


male- nope. apologies.


thats not enough is it?


female- you know i see guys like you every day of my life. you think we girls are pretty little flowers that need to be handled with care. well i do not.


male (having lost her when she said pretty little flower)- of course you are pretty.


you can see that that was a mistake.


female, after a long pause where she is looking at him, as if saying - you dared to say that!, and he is looking in the air saying-'oh shit i just said that! shit - excuse me?


male stammering- sorry ma'am.


female thinks she won a minor argument - whatever.


after a bit, when the man tries to ask her for her order and then give the waiter the order the female moves in again and says- i can order for myself thank you. 
she then proceeds to make a complex order that even the waiter forgets, and asks him for precisely this and exactly that etc. after three minutes where the waiter is banging his head, she says -thank you that will be all.


after a bit of work conversation the man makes the mistake of making a polite lunch time joke involving a female.
obviously that is mistake.
female- excuse me, but that is extremely sexist of you and i must protest.
 lady, it was a funny joke meant for light hearted conversation, not to insult women, so calm down!
male- no i was just making a joke actually. 
female- of course.


eventually after a long fruitless conversation, the guy has realized that he isnt getting the deal, and the girl has said things like you men just want to hang around hot women, marry them and then get them to quit their jobs etc.


what was the womans point? that chivalry is pig like behaviour? tell that to the knights of lore dear lady, not is men.


take another instance, where a couple was having dinner with me. the lady, was so dominating, that despite being in the aisle seat, and much closer to the water cooler she asked her bf to get her water, while he was eating and she had finished her meal. what is he a servant? what happened to the womans legs? and they guy just stopped eating and went out like a wimp. now this is not associated with feminism or chauvinism, but this is what the scene will be like if feminism grows unchecked into dominance(the way i see it. feel free to contradict).




then take public transport, where women have reserved seats.
a female friend of mine was recently on the metro and she was on the coach reserved for women. and the metro was obviously full, apart from that coach where there were a couple of empty seats. so this guy,after a long days work, tired and carrying a bag, tries to sit on the empty seat, and he is attacked by women saying, this is the ladies coach, you cant sit here, etc. really, where is that coming from! there are no women standing, and this guy needs a seat, so let him sit!
but no, the women's brigade must argue that the seat is meant for women!
WTF!
by the way my friend supported him. now that is acceptable feminism, and to be encouraged.




and then there are the laws on marriage and rape and molestation. marriage laws at least in india deal with women getting alimony, and women having more of a say in general. (as far as i am aware. must consult my lawyer friend niki about this). and as for rape laws, there is no provision in the indian constitution for a man to claim that a woman has raped him. the constitution does not define a situation where a woman forces a man to have sex with her. of course that happens RARELY, but still at the very least there should be a provision for it! whats worse, women can also take advantage of the sympathy factor 8 times out of ten (if they are smart enough to pull it off). 


women today have reservations for college seats (in some places), they have a reservation in Lok Sabha, the laws are with them, and whats worse, they still demand more!


and no, not all women do this. there are some who demand true equality. i respect those. but those are something rare, and there are women who instead, are now demanding that they get more opportunity than men, they get more rights etc.
i mean what do they want? that they become more dominant?!
thats not equality for sure.
and thats not all..
there are also some women, who are anti-feminists. because they use their gender as a weapon. they cry, and weep, saying things like this is how women have always been treated, and such a shame! these are the worst. they should be shot, coz they are clearly not doing anything correct, and yet their examples are used by feminists to make a case against men!


believe me, i do not claim that MCPs are any better. they are equally bad. but why must women learn from them the bad things, and become something that i would like to call a FCP. 
what began as a quest for equality has now in cases transformed into a quest for dominance! and that sucks!


and the worst part is that women are still lauded for trying to get the upper hand, and men are hated for it! so yes, as i said, if a man does it, he's a chauvinist, and if a women does it, she's a feminist.






not a good day to be born a man it seems
pity








PS: a friend of mine has asked me to spread the word, you can read his message here, please check it out if i ever made you laugh...





8 comments:

  1. I wudnt go to the extent of calling u a MCP, bt its a close call. Men dnt hold d exclusive rights of behaving like jerks when they r in the position of power and that power goes into their heads, women cn do dat too, like ur little anecdote shows. Your post clearly shows that while u r aware of the term "FEMINISM", you are obviously unaware of what feminism stands for. Feminism is not abt women wanting to be superior, or getting reservations in universities or d parliament, or separate seats in a bus or a separate line at the ticket counter. Feminism is about recognising and making people realise dat inspite of it being the 21st century, women need these things because of the sorry state of affairs. It is about women fighting to be treated like humans and equals and getting their basic human rights. It is about women getting the right to live and exist in a society where they are not treated as expendables or men can do nething they want jst coz they r stronger.
    And since you decided to point out the laws against rape, marriage, molestation and female infanticide, let me point out why they exist:
    1. More girls have been killed in the last 50 years just because they were girls than all the men killed in all the battles and wars of the entire 20th century (yup, i'm not kidding, this is a fact).
    2. An estimated one hundred million girls are involved in child labour worldwide.
    3. More women are sold into brothels each year in the 21st century than Africans were sold as slaves to the Americans in the 18th century.
    4. Women in India and worldwide are more likely to be injured or killed due to male violence than from cancer, maleria, traffic accidents and war combined.
    5. In 2008, the UN formally declared rape to be a 'weapon of war' because in the current scenario 'it is more dangerous to be a woman than to be a soldier in war driven conflict'.
    6. Inspite of all these laws, women tend to be traumiatised by rape and molestation and more women are forced to be get an abortion in case of a female foetus. After these laws came into force, the number of such cases have actually INCREASED instead of decreasing.
    There are many more such incidents, not just in India but world over, and men (such as urself) tend to ignore these cases and think that they have the right to scream about injustice and inequality just because women have a separate coach in the train or a line at the ticket counter, conveniently forgetting that this is done so that some pervert doesn't feel up a woman standing next to him. Yes there may be some women who might take advantage of being women and cry to gain the sympathy factor, but then for every one such woman there are 10 men who are rapists, kidnappers, abusers and perverts and that is the reason why the laws you deem as "unfair and unequal" exist.
    And I know you might want to make the point that these women are quoted as examples to make a case against men, but it is precisely because of the way these women are treated by men that "FEMINISM" needs to exist. Because feminism supports these women, feminists fight to get these women their right to live.

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    1. First of all, just talking non-sense you answer me this that are you getting deprived of any "equality right ?"
      For an instance, NikD posted & you replied in a rude manner and posted googled results. Did he abuse you or replied offensively ?
      Now tell me that who needs more rights here ?
      You can't just open your stinky mouth & bullshit others.


      Neha,I read what "NikD" wrote & what you wrote.
      What he meant & what you understood.

      Anybody who'll read the post by NikD & your reply can get it that you ain't even FCB or you're a disgraceful to feminists.

      I believe in "Equality", I do.

      You wrote such an essay and still couldn't make sense, relevant NikD's post. What I get after reading your reply is that you're either a school kid who has just got to know the word " Feminism " or you've just got out of a breakup.

      I'm just copying & pasting what you said & what I've to say on that:

      1. More girls have been killed in the last 50 years just because they were girls than all the men killed in all the battles and wars of the entire 20th century (yup, i'm not kidding, this is a fact).

      My reply : Talk about today, be practical now. What has happened has happened. Your reply would e very relevant if you could provide current stats & reason.

      And for god's sake, why would you compare it with a soldier ?
      May be that's a fact which you quoted but I don't see a point why ?

      You're totally acting like the SC/ST & OBC people that we had tolerated bad behavior so give us more rights/exemptions.. Talk about present & I'll feel proud of you that you belong to the youth of Our India who lives in present & just know how to move forward & get strong for the future.

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    2. 2. An estimated one hundred million girls are involved in child labour worldwide.

      Its a shame that there is "CHILD LABOUR" in existence.
      A child is child. You don't need to discriminate a boy child, or you want child labour but no girls in it & just boys as child labours ?

      How is that relevant to what NikD said?

      I understand that it was bad in the past & its still going on in the current society, but as a guy I can assure you about myself that I don't encourage it. or my friends or my family or the people I know.

      Things just don't change in a day girl, its the problem because of the orthodox religion & illiteracy.

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    3. I totally get it that you know why there's feminism but use your brain, you're just acting exactly like what NikD said:

      "what began as a quest for equality has now in cases transformed into a quest for dominance! and that sucks!


      and the worst part is that women are still lauded for trying to get the upper hand, and men are hated for it! so yes, as i said, if a man does it, he's a chauvinist, and if a women does it, she's a feminist.

      not a good day to be born a man it seems
      pity"

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  2. finally someone, reads, and then proceeds to look up facts and figures to contradict me! thank u for the information, and wonderful points. with due respect, the facts and figures you quote are perfectly correct, but perfectly unnecessary here. did i not mention that i respect women who demand equality and etc etc? my point here was not to argue against those doing the right thing, but to address those who take things too far, and far as i see it, my point was perfectly clear when i only mentioned those who take things beyond acceptable levels in the name of feminism. i accept your point. i only ask that you also consider the little number of females (and this number is increasing slowly but steadily) who do the things i mentioned, and ask whether that number should be curbed or not.

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    1. lol.. I totally agree with you bro, but "she's a girl" ;)

      She has to say something coz she has to make some point or stand that she is a girl, and she is right.

      I expected a very nice reply from her but when I read her reply, I was like. Seriously ? This point was necessary ?

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  3. With all due respect, I commenced by saying that. I agree that this kind of attitude doesn't serve any purpose and needs to be curbed. The facts I put out were to contradict your verdict on the necessity of laws and reservations that you deemed as unfair, and if it was not your intention to give that impression, you need to come up with better facts and examples.

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  4. This happened with me & I told her the same thing.. Are your legs broken or what ? You're thirsty, go and get it. Simple !

    lol..

    "take another instance, where a couple was having dinner with me. the lady, was so dominating, that despite being in the aisle seat, and much closer to the water cooler she asked her bf to get her water, while he was eating and she had finished her meal. what is he a servant? what happened to the womans legs? and they guy just stopped eating and went out like a wimp. now this is not associated with feminism or chauvinism, but this is what the scene will be like if feminism grows unchecked into dominance(the way i see it. feel free to contradict)."

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